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The DeLorean "New Build" Misinformation Problem - Part 2

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Ok; I said that the next update would be in May and it's now July. Such is life.

Now that we stand on the precipice of the possibility for there to actually be new DeLoreans, it requires a few key components:

  • The lawsuit over the "DeLorean" name and "DMC" logo.
  • What drivetrain will they use?
  • Will it use the same DeLorean frame?
  • What will the car cost?
  • Will this hurt the existing DeLoreans?


The most important parts of the legal requirements are a modern engine that meets emissions standards, that it must be an exact body replica, and that the rights must be licensed if not abandoned.

What engine is used will completely dictate the feel, layout, and construction of the car.

The stipulation that it must be an exact body replica means that, since recreating DeLorean panels seems unfeasible, it will have to draw from the existing supply of stock panels and means that up to 500 of each panel will be used per year; drastically reducing the number available.

With the fate of the legal rights to the DeLorean name and DMC logo still unknown, this is anyone's guess.
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  1. NightFlyer's Avatar
    Another interesting dimension to this development is that while most replicas currently made are cheaper / more affordable than the real thing, a new build replica D would almost certainly be more expensive than buying the real thing, at least at current market values anyway. That's why it's virtually anyone's guess as to what real new builds would actually do to our marque.

    I agree that as our marque doesn't have the aftermarket that other marques enjoy, new builds threaten to deplete the NOS inventory and drive the prices of parts up. While such an effect would ordinarily drive the values of real cars up, I can't see it pushing them up over the retail prices of the new builds. And as the D has always had a hard time gaining acceptance from the traditional collector car world, I could actually see the new builds harming the values of existing real cars, especially if the new builds are seen as being more desirable by the general public. Most D owners/drivers aren't exactly car people - they're movie/culture fans. And as they're the majority, they'll be the ones driving the market. If I wasn't a car guy, were in the shoes of the fanboys, and had a choice between a real DeLorean, with its 130bhp PRV, K-Jet fuel issues, bad electrical systems, etc vs a new build DeLorean with a 379bhp Ecoboost and the reliability of a modern car that wouldn't require me to get my hands dirty, so long as the new build wasn't astronomically priced, I'd be lining up to give my money to a builder while essentially ignoring the real ones.

    I agree that the issue pertaining to the legal rights to our marque is the most interesting aspect of this development - especially in light of the current federal suit between DMCH and JZD's estate/widow. Based on what's been publicly revealed thus far, I believe that DMCH will be victorious if they don't agree to settle, though that alone wouldn't necessarily mean that they have valid IP rights, as it could also mean that the IP rights were effectively legally abandoned long ago and passed to the public domain. I would think that DMCH wouldn't want such a revelation to be publicly known for obvious reasons.

    Espey previously posted that they never licensed with Mattel for the Hot Wheels products, though, on their old licensing page, the Mattel logo is prominently there, thus implying that they did. Or, he could have meant that they did license with Mattel, but gave Mattel the license at no charge under the believe that the Hot Wheels offering would represent free promotion of the marque/brand and direct interested customers to them. If they didn't because they were never approached by Mattel, then it's because Mattel's in-house legal department had determined that they didn't need to pay a licensing fee because the IP was already in the public domain. I don't know if SunStar procured a license for their 1:18 scale models, other than from Universal Studios for the BTTF offerings, or if Auto Art procured a license for their upcoming 1:18 scale model. I'll have to check my SunStar boxes to see if there's any mention of it being an officially licensed product. I've personally never purchased any of the Hot Wheels cars as I only collect 1:18 scale die-cast.

    Definitely interesting times
  2. NightFlyer's Avatar
    Case in point as to who's driving the D market - as we're discussing the possibilities of real new builds, Talkers are discussing hover conversions.....

    http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?12...e-Time-Machine

    I rest my case
  3. NightFlyer's Avatar
    If you really want to stir up some crap, you should post our thread discussions of this on one of the Facebook groups - you always get a good reaction over there
  4. sprofita's Avatar
    I was discussing last night at work that they could fire up a delorean plant and easily sale a new vehicle with updated drivetrain for 50-60k
  5. Justin51982's Avatar
    Nightflyer...I agree that a lot of people have/like the car due to being movie/culture fans...I, like you and a car person...I like the car IN SPITE of BTTF as opposed to the other way around...I also recognize that without BTTF, the car could command a similar audience to something like the Bricklin, which to a lot of people, is unknown, and not that valuable...I think the movie helped to prevent the car to fall into obscurity.

    With that said, I could see the opposite happening, I could see the fans [non-car people] buying the new builds which could, overtime, put the originals into the hands on enthusiasts and change the demographic some and possibly driving the value up for a true original.

    I guess only time will tell.